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Krzysztof Penderecki:
I became acquainted with Shostakovich’s music long ago, when I was still a student. In Poland at that time we were cautious in our approach to his work, because we always associated Shostakovich’s music with Soviet power. He was an official composer.
We students were already more interested then in the Western avant-garde.
Gradually I began to take a closer interest in his music. In the seventies I started to rehearse his music and at one of my first concerts I conducted Shostakovich’s Fifth Symphony and then his Ninth, Sixth and Fourteenth. This music was part of my life throughout those years together with other works of his. I often used to conduct his Cello Concerto.
I consider Shostakovich to be the greatest writer of symphonies in the 20th century. There are many great composers, such as Prokofiev, who wrote splendid symphonies. I believe, however, that Shostakovich wrote symphonies as dynamic forms and as symphonic cycles. I also feel that his main interest in music was the symphonic genre, and also symphonic form, which he had deliberately taken over from Mahler, since he was very interested in Mahler, considering him to be the great composer of symphonies at the turn of the century, when symphony-writing was in decline. After Mahler a pause set in, so to speak. Composers were avoiding the symphonic genre. After the compositions of Debussy and particularly Stravinsky, it would somehow have been ridiculous to create a major symphony, as understood in the 19th century.
It would have been impossible. Shostakovich was the first, no, perhaps it was Prokofiev and then later Shostakovich, who started to write symphonies again. These symphonies later became the crowning achievements of symphony-writing in the 20th century.
This music is really close to my heart.
I am convinced that music, and especially great music, cannot be viewed against a background of politics: something similar befell Wagner, because Hitler supported his music and went to Bayreuth to concerts and for that reason in certain countries Wagner, as far as I know, is not performed.
I don’t want to make any comparisons, particularly because I do not want to talk about Wagner now.
Shostakovich’s music is truly universal. Even if for some reason or other he was forced to give titles to some of his symphonies - for example to the Second or Third - or even some non-musical, political titles, this did not in any way influence the music of those works.
The Sixth Symphony is so filled with tragedy, it is the work of a man torn apart by contradictions, who cannot say what he is thinking but can express it in his music. With the sarcasm in the two fast parts he is cocking a snook as it were, showing that he is able to say all this in his music, come what may.
When I was a student, I could not, of course, understand all that, understand Shostakovich’s music, which was brought to us at the same time as Zhdanov’s aesthetics. That is why Polish composers tended to take a negative view of Shostakovich’s music.
Young people, however, fail to understand many things and it is not the composer’s fault that he is drawn into all that political manoeuvring, when his work is used as a political weapon.
I am sure that we musicians should look for understanding outside politics having as our medium the most abstract of all the arts - music.
From an interview given to O. Dvornichenko. Published for the first time